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BETH-SHAN: Images of Rutherford's Bomb Shelter

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

for any who are interested, rutherford's infamous bomb shelter at "beth-shan" has been officially documented by the city of san diego historical resource board.

they have photographs, plans, and an interview with the couple who built their home on the land (5330 le barron rd).

a pdf of the full report can be found here:.

Bloody Hotdogs!

Well, it was constructed around 1939 - 1940.... WWII was raging and attack from Japan was a real possibility on the West Coast

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BETH-SHAN: Images of Rutherford's Bomb Shelter

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

for any who are interested, rutherford's infamous bomb shelter at "beth-shan" has been officially documented by the city of san diego historical resource board.

they have photographs, plans, and an interview with the couple who built their home on the land (5330 le barron rd).

a pdf of the full report can be found here:.

Rutherford tried to justify the building of such places as 'housing for the returning princes'. The bomb shelter casts a bit of doubt on that, unless the princes were going to need it? Seems rather like Rutherford was building only for himself...

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BETH-SHAN: Images of Rutherford's Bomb Shelter

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

for any who are interested, rutherford's infamous bomb shelter at "beth-shan" has been officially documented by the city of san diego historical resource board.

they have photographs, plans, and an interview with the couple who built their home on the land (5330 le barron rd).

a pdf of the full report can be found here:.

Bloody Hotdogs!

For any who are interested, Rutherford's infamous bomb shelter at "Beth-Shan" has been officially documented by The City of San Diego Historical Resource Board. They have photographs, plans, and an interview with the couple who built their home on the land (5330 Le Barron Rd). A PDF of the full report can be found here:

http://sandiego.cfwebtools.com/images/files/LeBarron%20Report.pdf

Mention of bomb shelter on page 7

Site plan on page 34

Bomb shelter photos on page 71

Site history on Page 73

Interview on page 80

Based on this information and historic images from JWStruggle's "Beth Sarim" video, I have been able to reconstruct plans and sections of the bomb shelter and "goat barn" as it was in the early 40s. My work is here (scroll down):

https://jwbeliefs.wordpress.com

Also, I would like to appeal for any and all images you may have of the main house at Beth-Shan - especially interior shots or floor plans. It would be very interesting to know how the building was used in Rutherford's time.

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Beth-Shan - Digital Reconstruction - IMAGES & DRAWINGS WANTED

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

(just posted this over on exjw reddit as well).

as part of my masters in architecture degree (a treat to myself after leaving jws about 4 years ago), i'm attempting to digitally reconstruct some of watchtower's significant early buildings.

my goal is to produce accurate architectural drawings and images based on solid evidence.

Bloody Hotdogs!

This is exactly why I'd like to properly document this place. Few people seem to know it exists, yet, if the rumours are true, it's a wildly embarrassing chapter in the Rutherford saga.

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Beth-Shan - Digital Reconstruction - IMAGES & DRAWINGS WANTED

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

(just posted this over on exjw reddit as well).

as part of my masters in architecture degree (a treat to myself after leaving jws about 4 years ago), i'm attempting to digitally reconstruct some of watchtower's significant early buildings.

my goal is to produce accurate architectural drawings and images based on solid evidence.

Bloody Hotdogs!

Yes, the entire main house still exists, but has been added to. If the supposed bomb shelter still exists, it should be under the carport of the neighbouring house.

The Beth-Sarim property was never part of the 75 acre Beth-Shan estate. Beth Sarim was built on a +/- 1.6 acre lot within the Kensington Park/Heights subdivision, created in 1910. There was always a valley and public road separating the two properties.

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Beth-Shan - Digital Reconstruction - IMAGES & DRAWINGS WANTED

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

(just posted this over on exjw reddit as well).

as part of my masters in architecture degree (a treat to myself after leaving jws about 4 years ago), i'm attempting to digitally reconstruct some of watchtower's significant early buildings.

my goal is to produce accurate architectural drawings and images based on solid evidence.

Bloody Hotdogs!

(Just posted this over on EXJW reddit as well)

As part of my masters in architecture degree (a treat to myself after leaving JWs about 4 years ago), I'm attempting to digitally reconstruct some of Watchtower's significant early buildings. My goal is to produce accurate architectural drawings and images based on solid evidence. Often, analysis of architecture can shed light on the people/beliefs/cultures/etc. that created them.

Beth-Shan, Rutherford's "House of Security", is proving difficult to document. There are anecdotal accounts of the interior and existence of basements and bomb shelters, but to my knowledge, nothing linking those stories to original blueprints or verifiable photographs. Contacting current owners has not produced anything.

Do you guys have or know of any documents, images, etc. that might be helpful? I've heard that original blueprints for the main house still exist, somewhere... How about verifiable photos of the "bomb-shelter"?

A preview of my reconstruction and the images it is based on, can be found here:

https://jwbeliefs.wordpress.com/2016/12/22/beth-shan-rutherfords-house-of-security/

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Beth Shan - Rutherford's House of Security - IMAGES

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

i thought i would supplement this thread with some new images of beth shan.. location:.

[url=http://s1132.photobucket.com/user/midcentmod/media/site%20plan%20beth%20shan.jpg.html][img]http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m562/midcentmod/site%20plan%20beth%20shan.jpg[/img][/url].

1939, during construction:.

Bloody Hotdogs!

Location:

1939, during construction:

Today:

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Beth Shan - Rutherford's House of Security - IMAGES

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

i thought i would supplement this thread with some new images of beth shan.. location:.

[url=http://s1132.photobucket.com/user/midcentmod/media/site%20plan%20beth%20shan.jpg.html][img]http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m562/midcentmod/site%20plan%20beth%20shan.jpg[/img][/url].

1939, during construction:.

Bloody Hotdogs!

I thought I would supplement this thread with some new images of Beth Shan.

Location:

[URL=http://s1132.photobucket.com/user/midcentmod/media/SITE%20PLAN%20BETH%20SHAN.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m562/midcentmod/SITE%20PLAN%20BETH%20SHAN.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

1939, during construction:

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[URL=http://s1132.photobucket.com/user/midcentmod/media/BETH%20SHAN%203.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m562/midcentmod/BETH%20SHAN%203.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

Today:

[URL=http://s1132.photobucket.com/user/midcentmod/media/Screen%20Shot%202016-12-19%20at%203.28.46%20PM.png.html][IMG]http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m562/midcentmod/Screen%20Shot%202016-12-19%20at%203.28.46%20PM.png[/IMG][/URL]

[URL=http://s1132.photobucket.com/user/midcentmod/media/Screen%20Shot%202016-12-19%20at%203.29.32%20PM.png.html][IMG]http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m562/midcentmod/Screen%20Shot%202016-12-19%20at%203.29.32%20PM.png[/IMG][/URL]

From 1939 on, the house looks as though it is made of two linked volumes. Does anyone know if it started life as two separate buildings, or if a smaller house was enlarged? Architecturally, it is very odd. One half is a symmetrical 'H' plan, while the other is a smaller 'L' plan with round bay window.

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Defend Jehovah's Witnesses.. False claim from opposers of JW's--Creative Day..

by James Mixon in

"the creative day" how long was each day?

defend.

maybe this was posted before but i found this site.. search the above site.

Bloody Hotdogs!

I have attempted to compile all relevant and recent quotes regarding the 7000 creative days here:

http://www.jwbeliefs.com/jehovahs-witnesses-believe-creative-days/

To the OP: Where did you source that quote from the 2005 class? I'd love to get my hands on an official talk outline or something...

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Creative day 7000 years, is this correct and how did the Org come up with this idea?

by Crazyguy in

any body know?

Bloody Hotdogs!

@ BluesBrother

So now "Science" is to be allowed to determine the length of a Creative Day...Curious and curiouser ....

"Creative days" are not usually the subject of scientific research. I would guess that the only "scientists" working to assign them a length are ones that already agree with Jehovah's Witnesses and the Genesis account of creation.

Jehovah's Witnesses have always stated that their interpretation of Genesis is entirely consistent with "true science" while teaching that each creative "day" was only "thousands" of years long.

Besides, we know JWs reject most of natural history from their teachings on other subjects, like the order of creation, flood, water canopy, mammoths, dinosaurs, fossils, radiometric dating, and so on...